| There is a continual trend we are seeing
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| | grow North and West higher end your city
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| which I can remember participating in
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| | has interesting trends not normally seen
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| over a decade ago, when cities were
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| | with the middle class center, probably
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| trying to figure out how to increase
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| | due to the East Windsor area thus it is
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| sales tax revenues when the large box
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| | growing North West while the west side of
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| stores outside of town came into nearby
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| | freeway has remained the older area. But
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| or surrounding areas. For instance a big
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| | I cannot tell for sure without spending
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| and easy example would be Wal-Mart. Sam
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| | much time. Typically an area with a
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| was smart and built his stores just
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| | regional type mall if it has thee Old
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| outside of town near towns, which drew
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| | Navy Type stores which go in next to each
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| from neighboring towns of 5,000 or more
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| | other are trendy places of spending
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| from three to five directions. If you
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| | consumers that is good, but also need to
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| look at an over lay of Wal-Mart stores to
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| | be cognizant of the need to be by or near
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| an atlas of that state you will see the
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| | Happy Meal Station, or other QSRs. This
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| rural America can get anything they need
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| | is well documented in the annals of car
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| at the best price without driving all
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| | washing guru's best advice and written
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| that far.Unfortunately that awesome
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| | articles. By putting the car wash near
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| distribution system that Sam designed
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| | that off ramp you will not cut yourself
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| which accounts for nearly 12% of all
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| | off from your 10-mile radius sphere of
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| retail sales in America today also made
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| | influence where 80% of your customers
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| it tough for less efficient small town
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| | will be coming from. now realize that
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| business owners on Main Street USA to
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| | those town homes or multi-family units,
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| compete. Since then many small towns have
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| | apartments that were built for the city
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| found a way to bring back and revitalize
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| | to take advantage of matching Federal
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| there towns. It is estimated that with
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| | funds for low income housing years past
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| 5-10 million most towns can totally
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| | will be a significant base not to mention
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| revitalize their down town sectors and
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| | the up the street Golf Course crowd. Like
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| that maybe about the same amount of fees
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| | the Viking customers you will be paying
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| and permits to build the Wal-Mart in the
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| | through the nose for property, sewer
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| first place. Since 1980 an estimated 19
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| | hook-ups and hidden fees (taxes) and you
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| billion dollars has been spent on such
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| | will feel like Popeye the sailor by the
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| revitalization of down towns and made
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| | time your all through and want to through
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| them a place to meet, shop, hang out and
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| | some tea into your reclaim pit. So before
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| go.Just like the song "Down Town,
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| | you decide to put in a car wash in a town
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| everything's great when you're downtown"
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| | like Windsor or buy a piece of property,
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| great song and that is the goal. It is a
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| | you should look at the layout of the
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| feeling, a place to be, a destination
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| | town, determine where they filters or
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| location. And it has just about
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| | nets of wealth or money flow is going.If
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| everything you could want, that is
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| | the down town is going to be revitalized
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| everything you cannot find at the mall or
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| | a car wash some where between both or a
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| at Wal-Mart. Sure many of the typical
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| | detail shop in the down town with a hand
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| stores have gone out. Such as the
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| | wash valet parking or just good old
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| stationary stores, photo developing,
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| | fashion look will put your business at
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| pharmacy, video rentals, sports
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| | the top of the food chain with the local
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| equipment, auto parts, grocery, pet
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| | founding families of the town and the
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| stores, etc. But you can shop for
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| | powers to be of that fiefdom. Whatever
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| antiques, something to eat, a movie, used
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| | you do it is important to do it right and
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| books, lots of items that work well in
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| | to do well, or just don't do it.
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| that setting and many types of
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| | Regarding the question of car washes as a
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| businesses, which cater towards those
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| | business in CA. Yes it is viable, but
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| types of atmospheres. Such as Starbucks,
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| | more money is made building up car washes
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| certain food places and small mom and pop
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| | and selling them in CA than in running
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| shops, florists, gifts, specialty,
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| | them. The IRS likes to audit them a lot.
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| entertainment/liquor establishments,
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| | Car Washes being a cash business by
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| restaurants. If you look at cities like
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| | nature tend to hit all the red buttons.
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| Pittsburgh for example you will see a
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| | With the Tax cut and $100,000 immediate
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| well-served and thriving downtown area.
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| | expensing it is a worthy endeavor, but
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| In other cities you see a combo mix and
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| | risky too. been in the industry 27 years
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| made up facade downtown of tilt-ups
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| | washing stuff, I have to agree with much
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| prefab buildings, I can think of many
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| | of the thinkin gof this gentleman with
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| like the Limited Groups Downtown area in
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| | regards to downtown areas and possible
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| North Columbus OH and it is hopping with
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| | car wash locations. is also good people
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| people and spending. A place to go, and
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| | and will take care of your needs.
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| it works.But many so many smaller towns
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| | Investing in a car wash especially in CA
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| have done well to rebuild the downtown
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| | with the real-estate prices is a
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| areas where for lease and out of business
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| | difficult match to the intended ROI. But
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| signs abound. Why? Well all money made in
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| | if planned properly with the proper
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| town leaves town, it does not stay to re
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| | location, it is a good business, once all
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| circulate. Just like those who get a
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| | the delays are done and the city approves
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| paycheck in the big city have moved to
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| | it. The city planner of this particular
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| the suburbs and therefore the subs get
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| | city went to Chico State and is probably
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| the first use of that flow of money. Why?
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| | laid back so he maybe easier to deal with
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| Well city planners in the subs attract
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| | than the ultimate planning commission or
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| through incentives car dealerships and
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| | all the yuppie liberal cream cake
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| other such businesses and put them on the
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| | granolas which come out of the woodwork
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| main roads surrounding the residential
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| | in their 1969 Volvos with leaky rings
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| areas of single family dwellings and then
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| | spewing Carbon Monoxide smoke and
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| allow multi-family town homes,
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| | proclaiming themselves the environments
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| apartments, etc on the same main
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| | last chance, all the while spreading the
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| thoroughfares, one city I recently
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| | Redwood tree pathogen all around the
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| reviewed in CA had done exactly that.
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| | forest each day as they go for nature
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| These areas of businesses surrounding the
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| | walks and chain themselves to trees when
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| residential areas serve as a net to trap
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| | the forest service is attempting to allow
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| the money from leaving their area. Well
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| | thinning as to not burn down the entire
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| the downtown revitalization tries to do
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| | forest with 120 tons of debris and dead
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| the same thing, attract people into the
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| | wood fuel per acre. Heck I could go on
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| area to hang out and enjoy themselves and
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| | all night. Once opened toe the line and
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| thus have time to spend their money.If
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| | stay totally politically and non-profit
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| you look at this city Windsor CA you can
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| | group active, but keeping piece near
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| see some of our observations: Now then
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| | paradise is not easy. They will claim
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| some might think people in CA are all a
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| | noise pollution, water pollution, air
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| bunch of Hippie Dippies. Such as the
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| | pollution, toxic chemicals, none of which
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| Cheech and Chong Comedy team, but as a
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| | is true. The demographics are right
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| whole People in CA are generally smarter
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| | provided there are less than two other
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| than most due to oxygen level as most
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| | car washes which are full service within
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| live near or around sea level. Better
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| | 7-8 miles of your wash, having a more
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| weather makes year round activities and
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| | convenient location will net you the
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| human interaction easier and therefore
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| | soccer moms if you choose full serve. If
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| more is learned both academically,
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| | you are self serve probably across the
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| physically, observationally and
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| | freeway where land is cheaper since those
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| literally. So it is not much different
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| | self serve bays are only good for $1300
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| than a city in Mass, NJ, VA, but with
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| | per month gross or so?With that
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| more ideal weather. The town of Windsor
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| | explanation told on this subject of
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| is an okay town. We have no problem with
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| | location based businesses, you have to
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| it. Some of everything there.
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| | ask yourself which business models are
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| Protectionism and good ole boy networking
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| | viable for a down town sector to really
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| alive and well, this can be to your
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| | thrive and attract even more people. This
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| advantage by working the system a little
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| | example goes into depth of the kind of
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| and being in the right non-profit groups.
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| | thinking that needs to be thought of when
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| It is doable. But it is not worth the
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| | setting up a downtown revitalization
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| headaches for our company to participate
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| | project, but with each type of business
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| in anyway due to the CA mentality on
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| | model. For instance ask any developer of
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| business. These good ole boy networks
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| | property manager of strip malls of retail
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| want to make money in their downtown
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| | large income property and they will tell
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| businesses but do not often allow the
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| | you the types of anchor tenants needed to
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| progress to revitalization until which
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| | make the center survive or strip center.
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| time they get off their butts and visit a
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| | What types of business and specifically
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| town which has revitalized their down
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| | which businesses, such as Kinko's,
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| town, then they immediately go and join
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| | Starbucks, Blockbuster, etc. And the
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| the Main Street Program which currently
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| | types usually preferring franchise
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| has nearly 1800 communities which
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| | businesses such as Juice Stores, Haircut,
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| participate in it and they are really
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| | tanning, insurance, real estate, etc. It
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| learning a lot from each other, as to
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| | is important to understand the mall and
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| what works and what does not.I recently
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| | the traffic without going over board,
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| visited Franklin TN where the downtown
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| | recently I saw a delightful strip center
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| was cooking along as a matter of fact you
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| | in a perfect location in Red Bluff, CA,
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| could smell the aroma from nearby
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| | right on a busy intersection across the
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| restaurants, see a movie, get a beer or
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| | street from Wal-Mart, none of the
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| your favorite rendition of a Latte. If
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| | businesses moving in could ever compete
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| this is your dream to put in a car wash
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| | with Wal-Mart and they did not have to.
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| near downtown go for it. But watch out
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| | Across from Burger King sat a Starbucks
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| for the traps. Environmentalists who do
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| | as the strip malls anchor tenant. The
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| not understand the cleanliness of the
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| | center was good, but probably the coffee
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| industry or water usage. Underground tank
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| | place was too well placed and even with a
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| rules with regards to fuel or reclaim
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| | drive through would drive too much
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| tanks. Labor issues if you do more than
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| | traffic into that strip center for
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| coin-op, automatic. Full serves are loved
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| | parking. Parking in downtowns is equally
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| by customers if excellent quality
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| | as important. Building downtowns is
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| prevails there, but a crew that has part
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| | always a tough one in convincing the
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| time drug users can ruin your business
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| | older thriving businesses that street
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| quickly. Labor will be an issue.
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| | improvements, construction and general
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| Regarding a location in the town of
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| | obstructions are necessary to do it. Long
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| Windsor as this study samples example:
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| | term it is great, but short term it is an
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| the orange areas which would mean that it
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| | issue, construction out front will kill
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| is zoned service area, least amount of
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| | you.If you look at the highend areas of
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| issues with planning commission and
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| | Naples Fl, Palm Desert CA, Scottsdale AZ,
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| easiest to get passed easily. Also near
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| | you see some great work at total
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| the mid center off ramp. Near the Retail
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| | revitalization. But the old funky look of
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| Center, looks like a regional mall, near
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| | Key West FL, Manhattan Beach CA,
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| there is best on main road, but have to
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| | Montpellier Vt. you see they also work
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| find an open location with no center
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| | well. If you happen to go to GA and visit
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| medians. Looks like traffic issues there,
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| | a little town 15 miles south of
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| notice the FWY interchange signaled
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| | Statesboro, GA you will see it is the
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| intersections. It is not near downtown at
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| | Fruit Cake Capital of the World and
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| all but would serve a small business
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| | actually no where near San Francisco. A
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| owner better than a downtown revitalized
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| | revitalization project must tke into
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| area. A detail shop would be a better use
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| | consideration the natural flavor, in this
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| of a closed down town area gas station,
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| | case fruit. Every town is know for
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| fixed up real nice. I have seen plenty in
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| | something. This is of value. Oxnard CA,
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| FL, GA, SC, AL, TN but also in Gold Rush
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| | strawberry Capital. Bozeman MT Sweet Pea
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| Towns of CA, in the rural towns of north
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| | Festival, heck recently we were in
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| Washington state. Also your volume will
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| | Sheridan WY for the Hoops Festival. But
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| come from a 10-mile radius, and you would
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| | we have also been to the avocado
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| be better served in the Suburban area
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| | festival, wine festival all in CA,
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| near box stores, QSRs and strip malls.
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| | Raspberry Festival in UT and Tamale
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| The demographics are good where in
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| | Festival in El Centro near the Mexican
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| Windsor, lots of Bay Area rich refugees
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| | Border. There is always a need for a
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| who bought right and modified their town.
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| | local celebration to draw from miles.
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| Took an existing town and developed the
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| | Renaissance Fairs, October fest, even the
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| hell out of it, driving up property
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| | Forth of July Extravaganza. You have to
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| values and still a revitalized down town
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| | make it happen with the locals and draw
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| would draw them in and with their money
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| | from everywhere, parades. I have had the
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| they would spend.In Windsor, CA, if you
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| | good fortune of planning these events,
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| end up North West side where all the
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| | participating in them and bringing in
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| orange is there could be issues with
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| | dollars. So far in America at last count
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| visibility and you could be cut off by
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| | the cities which have revitalized
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| C-Stores with rollovers, car wash for
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| | themselves have refurbished 90,000
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| $3.99 with fill up. But the middle to
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| | buildings, sounds similar to what we are
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| upper middle will not take their SUVs
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| | doing thanks to really great and faithful
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| through there thus you advantage. Buying
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| | American corporations in the Open Markets
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| an existing car wash might be a better
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| | of the cities of Afghanistan and streets
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| play, but car washes go out of business
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| | and market areas of Baghdad. For more
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| for a reason, it is not always poor
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| | information on providing jobs and money
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| service. It could be location issues.
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| | flow locally in a town near you check it
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| Generally a combination. Towns tend to
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| | out.
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